Rosa Koire sadly passed away on 30 May 2021. I believe this interview was done several months ago.

SPEAKERS

Spiro Skouras, Rosa Koire

Spiro Skouras  01:37

Thank you for tuning in. Today I have a special guest who many viewers have been requesting. My guest is the executive director of the Post Sustainability Institute. She’s also a retired forensic commercial real estate adviser specialising in eminent domain valuation, she served as a district branch chief for the California Department of Transportation for nearly 30 years. Her career in litigation support on land use has culminated in exposing the impacts of sustainable development on private property rights and individual liberty. Rosa Koire is an author and a public speaker who has spoken across the world. You can find her work on our website, www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com. Very happy to welcome the author of Behind the Green Mask UN Agenda 21, Rosa Koire. Miss Koire, thank you for taking the time to be here today.

Rosa Koire  02:26

My pleasure.

Spiro Skouras  02:28

You are considered to be a top expert on agenda 21. And your work has been invaluable in bringing this UN agenda to light. Now for those of you, the viewers out there who may not exactly know what agenda 21 is, could you please provide us a brief overview of this programme?

Rosa Koire  02:45

Sure. Agenda 21 is the action plan, it’s the blueprint, the comprehensive plan that was signed on to by 178 nations plus the Holy See in 1992. It’s the United Nations plan. And it’s a plan to inventory and control all land, water, plants, minerals, construction, means of production, food, energy, everything on the planet, law enforcement, education, and of course, information and human beings. So this is, you know, a comprehensive plan of action and inventory and control plan. It’s about data sharing, it’s about money transferring from the developed nations to the lesser developed nations. And ultimately, it’s about destroying your ability to have a voice, destroying your ability to have representative government, it’s about changing your government to governance, and taking away your voice, entirely destroying your ability to be free, and to be independent. And the goal, of course, is to transfer power from local individuals to a global governance system. So you can’t do that all at once. And it’s been a long process. And you see it as you know exactly what you’re seeing right now. It’s a plan to disrupt and destroy the existing system. It’s a plan of transformation and control. And that’s what we’re living through right now.

Spiro Skouras  04:27

I would have to agree that it is absolutely taking place right now, and many people may not be very familiar with agenda 21, despite the fact that this has been around for some time, and it’s taking place right now. But I would say that maybe more people might be more familiar, for example, with the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, because we’ve seen all the celebrities championing this and, you know, both of these programmes are UN programmes. What is the difference, if any, between Agenda 21 and the 2030 Agenda?

Rosa Koire  05:01

Well, agenda 21 is the agenda for the 21st century. And of course, you know that a century is 100 years long. And so Agenda 2030 is the 30 year milestone within the Agenda 21 plan. So I really think this is a public relations, sort of end game around those of us who’ve been really alerting the public to Agenda 21 because now that they’re saying, well, Agenda 21 that’s been replaced by Agenda 2030 there’s so much great information out there about Agenda 21 that they’re trying to divert you from focusing on Agenda 21. Now, when you know that Agenda 2030 is simply a milestone year within that 100 year period, the milestone years are 2020, 2025, 2030, and 2050, they really fully expect to have this entire plan locked up and completed by 2050. If you go to America2050.org, which is a Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation project, you’ll get a look at what their idea is for, in fact, what they want the United States to devolve into, which is to destroy the sense of having a unified union, and to in fact not have 50 states any longer to have 11 mega regions. And in fact, what this plan does is it destroys the actual concept of the nation state. And it completely destroys it and devolves it into the city states, or regions. And these are not, you know, like individual cities, like say, San Francisco or New York, these are regions that are governed by mega cities, which are huge, enormous cities, it could be part of Washington State, part of Oregon, part of Idaho, and part of British Columbia. So it breaks the national borders, it break state borders, it breaks, of course, county and city borders, and this is about destroying your ability to actually be able to control what it is that happens to you. It’s a global plan, but they implement it locally. So it looks like a local plan. It’s always called different things no matter where you live. So that’s another way of being a stealth plan, you see, is that you’ll never see it called Agenda 21. It’s always called something else. And it’s right there in your town. It’s a regional plan. And it’s right there where you live right now.

Spiro Skouras  07:33

And typically, they do call it some type of sustainable development, or at least try to a green new something, you know, it’s for the betterment of mankind, of course, and it seems like they’re packaging this agenda around the Climate Initiative. You know, like first it was global warming, then is global cooling, now it’s just climate change. And what is your take really on, you know, the climate crisis in general, is there a real manmade climate change issue that is gonna wipe out humanity if we don’t obey and follow their new paradigm of global governance? Or is that just being used as a front to usher in this new system?

Rosa Koire  08:16

Yeah, let me just say, since I think I haven’t mentioned this is that sustainable development is Agenda 21. It was defined by the United Nations in a book that they commissioned, called Our Common Future in 1987. So sustainable development, of course, everybody thinks it’s, you know, it’s so good, it’s got those buzzwords, it sounds so cool. And so as far as climate change goes, you know, as I say, if they could have arranged an alien landing, you know, they would have done that, and of course COVID-19, well here’s a way to think of it, global crisis requires a global response, and that justifies global governance. So what’s, you know, what could be more global, you think, than climate change? Well, how about a pandemic, it’s designed to panic people, it’s designed to engage you in a really visceral way to frighten you to the point where you are literally concerned that you will not survive. And, of course, COVID-19 takes it, you know, to the next level, but, you know, that’s the purpose of this thing, whether there’s actually, you know, of course, the climate is always changing, certainly, but whether this is, you know, something imminent or whatever, it’s irrelevant, actually, because the thing is so powerful and so useful, that it would have been invented regardless.

Spiro Skouras  09:45

Miss Koire I’m sure that you have seen the World Economic Forum come out recently and announced their great reset initiative, coupled with the fourth industrial revolution. Now, what was your initial reaction to seeing them come out and boldly proclaim claim that we need this great reset, because of this this of crisis’ that we have taking place, because it seems like as of the beginning of 2020, they have really accelerated their agenda. What does the great reset mean, in your view? And what stage of the rollout are we in, would you say?

Rosa Koire  10:18

Well, I have to say, I’ve been really concerned and saddened in a deep sense to see this because I really thought we had more time. And I don’t want to be a person who’s an alarmist, I think this is really a very serious moment that we’re in. This is one reason why I called my book Behind The Green Mask, because they stay behind that green mask, they don’t wanna take that mask off. Because once the mask is off, you know, then the boots, the jackboots, and the truncheons come out. And I guess I’m concerned, mainly because it looks like we’re really getting to that point. And the other thing that happens when they reveal their plans, you know, the plans are always right out there. You know, they’ve always been right out there. In fact, you could go back to the 1880s Aand look at the Fabian socialists, Bertrand Russell, HG Wells, George Bernard Shaw and you’ll see the plan is right there. There’s no question about it. And it’s just been they’ve been refining it with the ability that they’re getting with technology, and I think that is really where we’re at now is that they’re less concerned about us.

Rosa Koire  11:27

They’re less concerned about our objection. And that is what concerns me is that the less concerned they are, it’s sort of a message to us that we’re not really concerned to them. So therefore, you know, it makes me think, you know, maybe we’re at that point where there’s not much we can do. But I think really, there is still a lot that we can do. And I do want to talk about that, but what what is happening now is that the technology has caught up to the plan to these people, they’ve always had these same plans. And I will say that as far as technology goes, what has man always wanted? Man has always wanted two main things, to live forever, and to create life. And we are very close to these things. I don’t know about forever, but we’re close to major life extension, and the creation of life, all you have to do is go to Cornell University’s plan, they’ve got a video out right now, as engineers create three major traits of life, go and take a look at that they are actually creating life. And there is no ethical stop on these people, and that is a major concern. This is, you know, what you saw with the Nazis with Stalin with now that there is literally nothing that holds these people back. So when they have the technological ability, and you know, you look at the fourth industrial revolution, or whatever it is they want to call it, they’re talking about total digital connectivity. They’re talking about a new social contract. Well, you know, I don’t know about you, but a contract generally means that both parties have, you know, something to say about it. But this is a contract where, you know, none of us have anything to say, and I think we’re getting to see what it looks like when you go out in the street., you see, and this is one reason why this is all you know, we can talk about this when we get more deeply into it. But this is one reason why you’re seeing this kind of hysteria in the street, because it’s a lesson and it is a notification to us. This is what’s going to happen to you if you go out into the street, and try and object to this plan, when you see what it really is. So they are gearing up for this. So the militarization of police, etc.

Spiro Skouras  13:40

Now, you mentioned earlier about, you know, the US, for example, and in order for this agenda to succeed, the US and the constitution it appears would have to be either severely altered or eliminated for this to be successful. Now, in light of that, what do you make of these events that we’re seeing unfold right now with the Coronavirus that we mentioned earlier and the civil unrest with Antifa and Black Lives Matter taking to the streets and taking over entire portions of cities at this point, like we see in Seattle, and they’re attempting to do in Portland. Is this an organised effort to destabilise and overthrow the US because it sure feels like it at this point.

Rosa Koire  14:17

Yeah and I want to say, most of us think that the Constitution of the United States is a great document and is inviolate. That is not the case. Right now. There’s been a real effort for many years to have a constitutional convention, you’re probably aware of that. I can’t recall the exact number of states, I think it’s 38 states to agree to it. And they say that they’re just going to look at a couple of portions of the Constitution, but once that box has been opened, they can do anything. So you know, people often want to know well, who’s doing it to me, it is your government that’s doing it to you. Your government has been taken over, and to answer your question, yes, this is an insurrection. We have been under attack. I hate to say this, I’ve identified as a so called Liberal Democrat since I started, before I could vote and all of that, you know, it sounds like a conservative position. I don’t know what it is, it’s real. This is a real situation that we’re in. Of course, I do want to say I did walk away from the Democrat Party, and parties are simply a distraction at the top. Power knows no party. The globalist takeover is simply that it uses whatever means necessary. And so the plan is really to, you know, this term disrupt that everyone’s seeing now this is really the plan is to destroy the social fabric is quite successful as you’re seeing it right now. And yes, the United States is a huge economic force, and a huge force and beacon to the world for individual rights and freedom, liberty, which is under attack, definitely. And it is a target. There is no question about that. So yes, I do think we’re in an extremely dangerous situation right now. And part of the reason why it is so dangerous is because it is supported by civil society, by universities, by foundations, by business organisations, by a public sector agency. This is a plan for governance. And so all of those parties who have been, of course, indoctrinated since for the entire time that they were in university and prior, you know, pre kindergarten to Postgraduate School, this is designed to utilise to activate those change agents. That’s really what the word change is really about. It is an activation of agents for change. And that is not a positive thing for the union of the United States.

Spiro Skouras  16:58

It really is incredible to see all of these mega corporations, like for example, Amazon and countless others, really throwing their support behind this situation what is unfolding before our eyes, all the celebrities, a lot of politicians, everyone is really throwing their support behind this. And, you know, we’re seeing the police departments being defunded, and in some cases dismantled. And now today, the United Nations UN panel has demanded that the US take immediate action to eliminate structural racism in the police system. This is what the UN panel is saying. And we’ve seen George Floyd’s family petition the United Nations to disarm the police here in the US, to have the UN disarm US police, which is unbelievable to me. And we know that Floyd was killed by the police. He wasn’t shot by the police, but yet they’re calling for disarmament. Now. I can’t help but think that this is playing right into a pre planned agenda. As everything lines up, maybe something like the strong cities network. I mean, what is your take on defunding the police? And what would be their alternative to the police?

Rosa Koire  18:11

Yeah well this is so fascinating, and if you weren’t living it it would just be such an interesting little thriller to be watching. You know, because this is really about community oriented policing, which is the panopticon, which makes you the cop on the beat, you are responsible for keeping your eyes on everything and reporting – see something, say something. And of course they’re talking about transformative new model of public policing, or something like that, of public safety, I think they call it and whenever you see that term transform, I want you to know, transform is a term that’s used, it’s a jargon term, and it’s used. It’s an agenda 21 term, so transformative learning, when you see it in the educational system, you’re going to see it in your policing system is really about, you’re not going to believe this or you probably will, it’s about breaking down the individual. It’s about breaking down your alliance to any old system, any old connection – your family, your old thoughts, your belief system, it’s literally makes you into a patient. This is a mental health technique that breaks you down, it’s a breakdown and then build back up of the personality. And this is what they intend to do with police officers. So in other words, this whole you know, institutional racism is merely an excuse to destroy literally the minds you know, Mao Zedong used this, of course, it was used by (inaudible) it’s used by the Nazis. It’s a technique that’s used to break down your personality and actually rebuild you as the new man and you are going to be rebuilt as the new global citizen.

Rosa Koire  19:56

So your police force will be rebuilt as people who literally cannot put their hand on their gun. And you know, what I can see happening here is that, you know, I happen to be in Mexico right now and this is a country that is run by the cartels. Literally you saw this when Lopez Obrador just basically let El Chapo’s son go, he said, Well, hey, you know, they probably threatened his life. The cartels have more power than the government. Okay, so what happens in a country like the United States where they don’t really quite yet, then you have militarization of the police or you have in placement of the police force, with your full intelligence community and military force, and this is dangerous, this is going to be dangerous. The other thing is, and I want to talk about this is artificial intelligence, of course, we need to talk about that, you know, what’s happening, whether in your virtual and physical life, and so when you have a police force that is made up of nonhumans, which is coming, and you may have it with drones, etc, which are directed by humans, but at a certain point they will not be, then you’re going to have a real dangerous situation, obviously, I don’t have to lay it out for you, where you’re not able to reason with a human being. So this is actually a two part plan. You see, it’s a plan to destroy your existing police force on the ground, who lives in your neighbourhood probably and knows you, or at least knows your area. And then you’re going to be replacing that with something very, very different.

Spiro Skouras  21:36

Yeah, it certainly is shocking how quickly this is rolling out, it seems like they pressed the initiate play button as soon as 2020 hit even though this has been a long standing agenda that, as you pointed out, has been incrementally taking place and conditioning the public to accept the coming transitions. And as you pointed out the AI, you’re absolutely right about the AI police. New Zealand just recently launched their first ever AI police officer they have it right now in New Zealand. It’s essentially a kiosk where you can walk up and talk to and interact with. And we’ve seen the the robots from Boston Dynamics, and DARPA and everything like that, and they’re already using some of these robots in Singapore, for example, to enforce the social distancing. So this is just happening quickly. They’re conditioning us getting us ready for these transitions. And you talk about how they were waiting for the technology to catch up with their programme and how Agenda 21 is the inventory and control programme of every aspect on life, and basically this transition, we’re transitioning into a new digitalized system, where everything will be monitored and tracked and traced on the blockchain, and everything will be essentially tokenized. And so it really is like a technocratic plan of takeover operation that Eisenhower warned us of, you know, on his farewell speech, be aware of the the scientific dictatorship, essentially. And here we are living it right now. And we always hear about, and when we see it, it’s an anti human agenda, essentially, where they’re looking to merge man with machine and, you know, we always hear about the depopulation aspect of that, you know, how does that play into all of this as well, in your view?

Rosa Koire  23:30

Yeah, I want to say basically when you have de facto martial law, everyone is the enemy, and that’s what you have with COVID-19. Everyone is the enemy, you have literally lost your trust for anyone, even your closest family members. So, you know, this is a way to break down society, it’s a way to break down mental health. And also health is a very vital part of this plan, because of course, collecting your DNA, this is a plan to inventory and control everything, including your DNA. The Human Genome Project, to be able to actually control life, you can make life, you can actually destroy life. And going back to, of course, the 1880s and the Fabian socialist eugenics plan, this is not something that went away This plan, you know, the idea that you can actually make the human race better. And so consequently, you’re going to have to get rid of anyone who does not make the human race better, and that of course ties in with your social credit score, and whether you’re worth it, whether you have value, and this has already been happening in the university systems which are, you know, basically designed to search for anyone who does offer value, and to offer them a free ride in exchange for research, and then everyone else just pays and is indoctrinated and indebted. So, this is the design of the system right now, it’s already doing that.

Rosa Koire  24:57

So yes this is the way it’s set up, whether you’re worth it or not, it’s going to be determined through your credit score, and then all of this is technologically possible now. So this is the design of the plan. And yes,  so some people, of course, the sperm count is down, And, of course, women have children later. So when you’re looking at the Sustainable Development Goals, Agenda 2030 has, what is it 17 sustainable development goals? In 2015, the Millennium Development Goals, there were eight Millennium Development Goals. I think it’s a very Chinese model, if you look at the Chinese model, to number things, the 1000 flowers, they always number things. Is this a Chinese plan? No, it’s not, but the Chinese are certainly a part of this and did agree to Agenda 21, and also agreed to work on a depopulation vaccine with the United States back in the 1990s. So how far they proceeded with that we don’t know.

Rosa Koire  26:06

So depopulation is, of course, a vital part of the plan, because the plan moves you out of the rural and suburban areas into the dense city centres where you can be more easily managed, controlled, and surveilled. And, of course, these cities are not capable of literally holding that many people. So the design of the plan is to make it so that they can hold as many people as possible to, you know, increase the, and I want to say that your buildings are very important to this plan, smart cities, the strong cities network, all of this. You can look at alphabet and there are sidewalk labs, which is quayside they were trying to do in Toronto, which was about literally tracking every aspect of your life. Building a city from the ground up, this is the goal. You are living within a panopticon. The design of this plan is literally to take your freedom completely away from you. And I’m not talking about some plan that’s way out there in the future, I am talking about this is happening right now. And yes, it’s about depopulation, because you know what, you are just not worth it, you use too much, you are taking up too much room, you’re using too. This is what the climate change thing is all about. You are using too much energy, too much water, and too much land. And you need to be isolated and moved into the high density city centre where you can be more easily controlled and managed and surveilled. And that is what this is doing to you right now. So you know, it’s not like this plan is out there in 2030 or 2050. 2020 is a really important year, a lot of these plans, when you look at your regional plan for your area, a lot of these plans are named your town, whatever the name is 2020. Because 2020 is a key year in the implementation of this plan.

Spiro Skouras  28:03

Absolutely, I’d have to agree with you on that. And when we see people obviously get very caught up in the divide and conquer tactics and strategies, and we’re so busy fighting about left or right, or Trump, or whoever. And the same thing applies geopolitically as well. It’s like, oh, China’s the bad guy, or Russia’s the bad guy or whoever when, as you pointed out, these countries have all signed on to the same game plan for global governance. And these groups like the World Economic Forum have been deciding what the future of humanity looks like for you and for me and for us, and it doesn’t look very human at all, and we have no say according to them at this point. So this is extremely important information that is taking place right now. And I would like to end today’s discussion with possible solutions, like what can people do? You’ve had some success in this area of actually defeating Agenda 21 in some areas. Can you tell us about that? And what should people be doing right now to resist?

Rosa Koire  29:07

Well awareness is the first step in the resistance. And action is the second step. And I think it’s really important that people understand that we are being we’re being conditioned to be passive right now. We’re being conditioned to click a like and think that that means that we’re a political activist. And it does not mean that, you are not a political activist if you don’t leave your house. You need to leave your house.

Spiro Skouras  29:41

But the lockdowns –

Rosa Koire  29:42

– That’s right, I know. And plus your government has now gone virtual where you know where it used to be, now I know most of you don’t even know where you’re, I don’t mean to insult you, but let me insult you here, you don’t even know where your city council meets. You think it doesn’t matter. But those are the people who make the rules that you live under right there in your town, and you better believe it does matter. And don’t tell me that your government is so bad that you can’t do anything about it. I sure looks like that, but the thing is is that you’ve let it get that way, and if you continue to let it get that way, it ain’t going to get better. So what you need to do is actually occupy your government, to take a term that I think was really misused, to actually go and be your government? If you can, yeah we’re in the endgame here, there’s not a lot of time left so you know, you should have been doing this a while ago. But the thing is, is that you need to know what Agenda 21 looks like. And you need to recognise it so that when you see it in your city, you can go and talk about it. You can first of all get yourself elected, you can run for office and not get elected, but talk about it. You can stand up in your city council, every single item on that agenda is probably related to Agenda 21, if you know what you’re looking for. I actually tell you how to find out, you can look at my websites, you can look at my book where I tell you how to actually take down their Delphi meetings where they’re manipulating public opinion so that you won’t make trouble for them. Because really, they don’t want you to make trouble. They’re hoping that they don’t have to bring out the cops. So they’re really wanting to, you know, keep you in your seat and keep you at home quiet. So that’s what you don’t want to be is the person who sits at home.

Rosa Koire  31:31

So you want to take this on, you want to spread this information, you can do it with flyers, you can do it with mailers, you can spend a little money, you can make some videos, you can share them with people, you can share these videos with people and then decide what kind of action you’re going to take. Because just knowing without doing something about it is simply not enough at this time. So you have to become more politically active, and more willing to not be a first adopter of many of their stuff. You’re gonna see virtual reality that’s going to replace your reality, it’s going to be so much better, you’re going to be able to eat virtually do some pretty fun stuff, if you get my meaning virtually, and everybody’s going to want to do it. Once you do that your life is over. And so you’re going to want this stuff. They’re making it so that you want it. So you’re going to ask for it. You have to resist that, resist it in yourself. Let’s take a look at yourself. What do you do for a living? Are you a change agent? Are you an organisational manager? Are you working for the city or the state, or the feds or the county? What are you doing? Are you part of this plan? Are you a planner? Are you part of this plan? Are you a university professor?

Rosa Koire  32:46

Don’t be like Brett Weinstein, who grew up there and in evergreen college, and all of a sudden he’s like, Oh no they’re attacking me. It’s like, Yeah, dude, what have you been doing all these years, you’ve been teaching them this stuff. You know, if you are participating in this plan, withdraw your support, withdraw your financial support, your political support, and your social support. Have some guts, because that’s what it takes. People aren’t gonna like you, but you need to do it. Wherever you work, wherever you are, you need to talk about this. If you’re in a government meeting, if you’re a manager at some supermarket, you want to talk about this in your management meeting, you talk about this everywhere. Tell people about this plan, it is a real actual thing that is right there in your city right now on the show being acted right now on you.

Rosa Koire  33:40

We don’t have time now, but this Agenda 21 is not like Wikipedia tells you it’s not an involuntary non binding plan. This is a plan that is binding on you. It was brought into the United States 1992. And the whole clue that you’re going to get is that the federal government enacted it, and it’s gone down into the states and cities. So it’s a real plan. It’s really there in your town. So you know what, let’s participate together. Let’s fight this together. We can do it. We have had some successes. But you know what, we need more, we have to fight this together, all of us and resist.

Spiro Skouras  34:18

Well said, I mean it’s taking place unfolding right now. And I can’t thank you enough for the great work that you’re doing to help bring this to light. I’d also like to thank all of the viewers out there who watch and share this information, share these reports. And like Miss Koire said, get out there get involved start attending some city council meetings. Listen to what these people are saying. And if they are saying some things that you know, sound off an alarm in your head, maybe you should speak up and let others in your communities know because this is, I’ve been all over this country, I’ve been to several different countries around the world and I’ve seen it, you see it taking place, even through the federal government funding. Road maintenance in your towns fall under some of the sustainable development programmes. I mean, it is ingrained into every little aspect and they’re selling it to better the world and the environment and everything like that. But this is an anti human agenda that is taking place right now. And this is a dark road that we do not want to continue down, this road of tyranny. in my view.

Spiro Skouras  35:22

I encourage everyone to make your way over to Rosa Koire’s websites, democratsagainstunagenda21 and the Post Sustainability Institute. I’ll make sure I leave links to all of your social media accounts, Miss Koire, as well as a link to your book Behind the Green Mask UN Agenda 21. Miss Rosa Koire thank you so much for being my guest today. This is extremely important information and I really respect the work that you’re doing. And to me, it’s people like you who are the real heroes, it’s not these celebrities out there or these athletes, it’s people like you who are making a difference who are doing things to affect real change. Do you have any final points you’d like to share miss Rosa Koire?

Rosa Koire  36:03

Yeah, I do want to say that we all have to be heroes. I’m just like everybody else. We just all have to do it. You got to take it on. And you know, we can do it, but we have to do it together united. We can do it.

Spiro Skouras  36:17

Ladies and gentlemen, miss Rosa Koire, thank you so much.

Rosa Koire  36:21

Thank you.